Secondary effects. Can a pan, which is considered to be a utensil be moved on Shabbat when it contains something like ashes which are not permissible to be moved (because they might accidentally be put to use)?
One comparison is raised: "A man may pick up his son while he is holding a stone" - the stone is not permissible, but it comes with the boy!
Another comparison deals with the question if the object contained within the vessel is considered valuable. But is "valuable" a useful term?
"surely it was taught: ‘The garments of the poor for the poor, and the garments of the wealthy for the wealthy’."
The reference is to garments which are liable to defilement. For the wealthy anything less than 3 handbreaths square is to small to be considered and is thrown away. The poor hold on to it, and their limitation is 3 fingerbreaths square.
"Valuable" is a subjective reference - not so useful in making these determinations. Law has to be objective with more universal standards.
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